Medical Examiner: Newtown Shooting Victims Suffered 'Devastating Set of Injuries'

Officials during a press conference shared some harrowing details of the mass killing at Sandy Hook Elementary School, including the nature of gunshot wounds.

Update 6 p.m.

NEWTOWN, CT—Minutes before releasing a heart-wrenching list of those who perished in Friday’s mass shooting in Newtown, state officials reviewed some of the harrowing, gruesome details of what appears to have happened inside an elementary school where 20 children and six adults were shot dead by a lone gunman who then killed himself.

Responding to difficult questions posed by a national media corps that descended just one day earlier on this normally quiet town about 60 miles northeast of New York City, the Connecticut chief medical examiner described how and where the bullets entered the children, what the kids were wearing and how he felt about what he’d seen inside Sandy Hook Elementary School.

“This probably is the worst I have seen or the worst that I know any of my colleagues having seen,” said Dr. H. Wayne Carver II of the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, where he’s been working for 31 years including 26 as chief.

Carver said he saw no difference in the pattern of shooting deaths between children and adults inside the school.

The weapon used primarily in the shootings was a long rifle, Carver said, and victims young and old were shot “all over” with some at close range and some not.

“I only did seven of the autopsies, the victims I had ranged from three to 11 wounds apiece and I only saw two of them with close range shooting,” Carver said.

The shooter who wielded that gun—discovered dead inside the building Friday with a rifle and two smaller guns near his body, police have said—has been widely reported to be Adam Lanza, 20. His motives remain unclear; state police are investigating.

Carver said he would complete autopsies on the shooter and the shooter’s mother, widely reported to be Nancy Lanza of Sandy Hook, on Sunday morning.

All bodies were removed from the school before dawn Saturday and transported to the medical examiner's base in Farmington—about 40 miles away. The children’s autopsies were performed first so that their bodies could be made available to funeral directors “for obvious reasons,” Carver said.

Asked whether the shooting victims at the school suffered, Carver responded: “To best of my ability to answer that question, which is always less than perfect: If so, not for very long.”

The graphic, detailed information seemed to fly in the face of a more private tone that Newtown First Selectman Patricia Llodra was trying to set when she preceded Carver at the podium.

Calling Newtown a “close-knit community” whose heart is broken in the wake of a “horrendous tragedy,” Llodra called for media members to respect the privacy of residents, including those grieving for lost loved ones.

“Please treat our community with kindness,” Llodra said. “Please know that we have suffered a terrible loss and we need your respect on this healing journey.”

Carver called the injuries to shooting victims “a very devastating set.”

Relatives identified their loved ones not in person but by photos taken of the victims’ faces, Carver said.

“We did not bring the bodies and families into contact, we took pictures of them, of their facial features,” he said. “It’s easier on the families when you do that. There is a time and place for up close and personal in the grieving process but to accomplish this we felt it would be best to do it this way.”

At one point a reporter asked Carver what the children were wearing, to which he replied: “They were wearing cute kids’ stuff. I mean they’re first-graders.”

Carver also was asked whether he became emotional among the bodies of so many victims, mostly children, and told the corps “Not yet.”

“I think if you don’t have to do that, you shouldn’t be in this business,” he said. “For this one, not yet. Notice I said ‘yet.’”

Lt. J. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police echoed Llodra’s imploring for privacy, reminding people as he had at an earlier press conference that a state trooper has been assigned to each individual family of the victims. One new piece of information that Vance supplied in response to a reporter’s question was that investigators found no evidence of an altercation in the school involving the gunman.

Update 10:40 a.m.

NEWTOWN, CT -- Though the gunman’s motive remains unclear, some pieces of the timeline, emergency response and ongoing investigation into Friday’s horrifying shooting came into focus Saturday morning as state police addressed media members at a park near Sandy Hook Elementary School.

All 20 children and six adults who died as a result of wounds suffered at the Newtown school have been identified by family members, Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance said.

Those families are going through “a very difficult and trying time,” Vance said, pleading with the media to respect the survivors’ wishes for privacy. A list that names the deceased will be made available as soon as the state Office of the Chief Medical Examiner has finished its work. Vance said that the bodies inside the school all have been transported to that office—located in the Hartford suburb of Farmington, about 40 miles from Newtown.

It isn’t clear when the elementary school will reopen. Vance said investigators likely will be on scene for another one to two days. The superintendent of schools in Newtown is expected to address the media Saturday, Vance said.

Echoing what Newtown police told Patch Saturday morning, Vance said investigators are working hard to try and establish the gunman’s motive. Until that investigation is complete, Vance said, no information about its details will be released.

“I have to tell you that there are certain things, that there are simply cards we are holding close to our chest,” he said.

Also echoing Newtown police, Vance confirmed that the gunman appeared to have forced his way into the school by shooting through glass to breach a secure, locked system.

Vance said that “good evidence” was recovered at the school as well as a Sandy Hook home where a woman whose son is believed to be the shooter was found dead Friday.

Multiple news outlets citing police sources have identified 20-year-old Adam Lanza as the gunman. According to NBC News, three weapons used in the shootings—two 9 mm handguns and a rifle—were legally purchased and registered to Lanza’s mother.

“[The school and home] did produce evidence that investigators are able to use,” Vance said.

Vance confirmed that all three weapons were located near the shooter by police responding to the scene Friday.

First responders to the school encountered “several students and staff suffering from gunshot wounds,” according to a press release issued by the state police.

On- and off-duty troopers and Newtown Police Department officers responded to what the world quickly learned was a horrifying, unimaginable scene following a 9:30 a.m. 911 call reporting a possible shooting at the school, Vance said in the press release.

“Upon arrival, teams of Troopers and Officers formed ‘Active Shooter Teams’ and immediately entered the school,” Vance said in the release. “Teams performed rescues of students and staff, removing them to a safe location as they searched for the shooting suspect within the building. The building was evacuated and students walked hand in hand out to a safe location.”

The shooter, whose identity police have not yet confirmed, was found dead inside the school, Vance said. Police have said the gunman shot himself.

Multiple media outlets have identified 20-year-old Adam Lanza as the gunman. Vance also confirmed that a relative of the gunman was found dead at a residence in Sandy Hook. That deceased person is believed to be Lanza’s mother, Nancy. Nancy Lanza, originally reported to be a teacher at the school, is not in fact a teacher there, according to CNN.

In all, 27 people were killed, police said, including 20 children. Among the adults killed were the school’s beloved principal and psychologist.

The identities of all victims have been established, Vance said. Families of those killed have asked that no media members press them for interviews, Vance said.

The bodies of those that perished have been transported to the Office of the Medical Examiner, which is located in Farmington—a suburb of Hartford about 40 miles away.

“State Police Major Crime Investigators are continuing to process the school crime scene, gathering evidence and documenting the entire facility,” Vance said in the press release. “State Police Detectives assisted by Newtown Detectives processed the interior and exterior crime scene. Teams of investigators flooded the community and followed each lead, developing extensive information.”

In addition to the support for families themselves, Vance said, a crisis intervention team is being made available to the larger Newtown community. That team can be reached at 203-270-4283, Vance said.

Original Story

Newtown residents reeling from the massacre of 26 people, including 20 children, at an elementary school Friday are facing questions as they wake up to a living nightmare about the gunman’s motive, weapons and just what happened.

Police are expected to hold a press conference at 8 a.m. and have said that they are “working backwards” to piece together the “why” behind the mass shooting in this normally quiet area. A town of about 27,000, Newtown is 45 miles southwest of Hartford, or about 60 miles northeast of New York City. A 12 p.m. Saturday prayer service is scheduled for St. John's Episcopal Church in Sandy Hook, a neighborhood of the town. 

Newtown police Lt. George Sinko, the department’s public information officer, told Patch Saturday morning that investigators have no sense of what prompted the gunman to act.

“There is no sense of motive at this time,” Sinko said.

Though Connecticut State Police have declined to identify the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, several news outlets citing police sources have identified 20-year-old Adam Lanza. According to NBC News, three weapons used in the shootings—two 9 mm handguns and a rifle—were legally purchased and registered to Lanza’s mother, whom police say was found dead at her Sandy Hook home.

Parents of schoolchildren at the scene Friday told Patch that the school was locked and that visitors need to be buzzed in. Sinko said Saturday that the gunman appeared to have blasted his way inside.

Police radio dispatches aired by CNN reveal harrowing early communications to emergency responders who arrived at the elementary school around 9:40 a.m. Friday.

"Caller is indicating she thinks that someone is shooting in the building," a dispatcher says. "The front glass has been broken. We are not sure why."

And later: "All units, the individual that I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gunfire. Units are responding to Sandy Hook School at this time. The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lockdown."

According to Sinko, the gunman shot out glass next to the front door of the school.

“We say that because the window next to the door was shattered. We are still investigating," Sinko said.

Sinko said investigators are sorting through a “tremendous amount of evidence,” adding that police are looking for no other suspects than the suspected gunman who also was found dead inside the school.

Much of the investigators’ work involves checking motor vehicles, Sinko said.

Sinko said that police are not releasing the names of the suspect or children killed.

Patch will update this article with new information from state police and other officials throughout Saturday.


More links to Newtown Patch’s coverage here:

  • Reaction: Sandy Hook School Shooting
  • Police Raid Sandy Hook Home Hours After Shooting
  • [PHOTOS] Newtown School Shooting


COSMO P February 15, 2013 at 12:52 AM
Today laser sights make the task easy. Once again you are ignorant of guns and gun accessories.
consider February 15, 2013 at 02:36 AM
Feel free to limit yourself to 8 rounds, don't get on you high horse and tell the rest of us we can't use standard capacity magazines how you choose to not protect yourself is your business, how anyone else chooses to do so is NONE of your business
consider February 15, 2013 at 02:46 AM
Never again? means hands off! A disarmed society is a controlled society, enslaved... you can keep that.. forget me not!
Voice of Reason February 15, 2013 at 03:08 AM
@ Ronald. I'll dispense with bothering to argue any of your points as I know it's a waste of my time but I would like to ask you a question or two. For the sake of argument let's suppose all of your desires are placed into laws. What will you blame when your new laws don't have the outcome you think they will? What will you do then?
RONALD M GOLDWYN February 15, 2013 at 01:29 PM
Dear Voice, To answer your question, Change the law. Just remember that men like Cosmo P will not obey laws if he thinks his security is threatened, but for the majority of us citizens we still have faith in our elected government. Cosmo should know that his freedom ends where my nose begins. To me he is more dangerous than the common criminal, because we know the criminal is an outlaw. But Cosmo stays within the law until he is threatened and only then joins the outlaws. As for learning more about guns, my class was postponed last Wednesday due to the weather, but it has been rescheduled for this coming Wednesday at the Police headquarters's pistol range, as I'm currently enrolled in the Citizen Police Academy's 6th class. I have heard that our two Senators and my Representative are in favor of the same proposals that I espouse and that includes restricting ammunition. To protect classrooms use steel doors with a central locking system. In my Police HQ they use steel doors, I wonder why?
Tax Man February 15, 2013 at 02:04 PM
8 rounds.... What a joke as even a German Luger over 100 years old came with a 9 round magazine... Senator Looney as an example is just that as he has a bill to ban Criminals from possessing Ammunition and firearms. I guess he isn't familiar with the Fed. law that already states it is illegal. This is all just more political grandstanding for headlines.
Voice of Reason February 15, 2013 at 02:36 PM
@ Ronald. "Dear Voice, To answer your question, Change the law." So if we enact your bans/restrictions and they have no perceivable positive impact we should impose further bans/restrictions? Is that correct?
COSMO P February 15, 2013 at 05:32 PM
Yust for the record RONALD the teacher in the Newtown SHOOTING DID NOT HAVE THE KEY FOR THE DEAD BOLT ON THE DOOR. That is how the shooter got in to her class room and killed the kids,So tell your story walking and get not only gun training get some facts on the case before mouthing OFF. Typical liberal democrat shooting his mouth off without facts. What else is NEW!!
COSMO P February 15, 2013 at 05:40 PM
Dear Voice, To answer your question, Change the law. Just remember that men like Cosmo P will not obey laws if he thinks his security is threatened, but for the majority of us citizens we still have faith in our elected government. Cosmo should know that his freedom ends where my nose begins. lutely the dumbest thing you have said to date. I am not a criminal.Your buddies in hartford are planning on making me a FELON with the swipe of a PEN,That is how democrats work. They are communists plain and simple. Lets see lets make someone a felon by banning guns that were legally purchased before we changed the law. Not only unconstitutional but people like you trash the constitution anyway. So with that put all the restrictions you want on ammo. I reload my own. Cant fool you, you are REAL SHARP!!!!! And further more if i need ammo Pennsylvanian is a short ride from CT. So is NH.Got any other brilliant ideas.
RONALD M GOLDWYN February 15, 2013 at 08:01 PM
I'm not trying to take your guns away from you. Nor am I testing you to see how you can get around the upcoming laws. If you do your own reloads - fine, you will be just a small part of our population to do so. No law will prevent a person from being killed by a gun, but it may reduce the number of folks killed. Restricting car ownership will reduce the number of auto deaths strictly based on the reduced number of vehicles, but unlike guns, autos are not protected by the Constitution. One last thing, I was first elected a Republican County Committeeman in 1961 at a time when Conservatives were found in the Democratic Party. I have not changed my philosophy in the past 50+ years, but the national political parties have. Today, my party has a problem with the T-Party element, just as the Democrats had with the Dixiecrat s back in the early 50's.(Truman was President) For the law abiding citizens restrictions proposed will be no handicap. I have no fear of my government, why should I? Do you have such fears? I hope not. Just remember I came first, so it is you who is doing the changing to my Constitution.
peter o'malley February 15, 2013 at 09:22 PM
Anyone with so much ignorance and hate has forfeited their 2nd Amendment Rights.
Father Joe February 15, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Another gun nut in the news..... Olympic Star, Oscar Pistorius, charged with murder in shooting of girlfriend. He was a gun nut. Olympian, Paralympic star Oscar Pistorius charged with murder in shooting of girlfriend By Associated Press, Published: February 13 | Updated: Thursday, February 14, 3:36 PM PRETORIA, South Africa — Oscar Pistorius, the double-amputee sprinter dubbed the Blade Runner, was charged Thursday in the Valentine’s Day slaying of his girlfriend at his upscale home in South Africa, a shocking twist to one of the feel-good stories of last summer’s Olympics. <...> What sparked the shooting remained unclear, but police said they had received calls in the past about domestic altercations at the home of the 26-year-old athlete, who has spoken publicly about his love of firearms. <...> Firearms captivated Pistorius, the subject of an online Nike advertisement that featured him with the caption: “I am a bullet in the chamber.” In November 2011, he posted a photograph on Twitter of himself at a shooting range, bragging about his score. “Had a 96% headshot over 300m from 50shots! Bam!” he wrote. Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/police-double-amputee-olympian-oscar-pistorius-involved-in-shooting-at-home-woman-dead/2013/02/14/26860c76-767b-11e2-b102-948929030e64_story.html
COSMO P February 16, 2013 at 02:34 AM
WOW GOT IT JOE NOW WE ARE GUN NUTS. Like the NUTS CALLED DEMOCRATS that have plunged this country in to 16.5 trillion dollars in the RED. Or the Communist democrats that want to trample our constitutional rights. And you have the NERVE to call us GUN NUTS. Here is a NUT Martin Looney is a certifiable NUT. Just spend 5 seconds reading his gun law proposals. And i guess the Supreme Court is a bunch of nuts also. You Liberal Democrats are nothing but communists hell bent on destroying this country and now you have the means to do it. From the white house down to this state the democrats have destroyed this country in 5 Short years. Hay get this just had my taxes dun and my state refund id taxable from the previous year. And you have the NERVE to call us gun nuts. Has anyone told the state that money has already been taxed. This is just another thing this Democrat commie state does that is unconstitutional. But people like you dont give a dam because most likely you are filthy rich or exploit the system. Case Closed
COSMO P February 16, 2013 at 02:48 AM
I'm not trying to take your guns away from you. Nor am I testing you to see how you can get around the upcoming laws. If you do your own reloads - fine, you will be just a small part of our population to do so. Once again WRONG!!! Most all gun owners reload. OK 11 kids a day are killed by using cell phones while driving. And this state does not give a dam. Yesterday i witnessed a mother with 4 kids in her car gabbing on the phone. Care to respond to that. Ronald you clearly are trying to take my guns from me. Example you Liberal Gun Grabbers want to limit 7 rounds in a mag. Clearly you people know that will effect 98% of every semi auto handgun. There fore this accomplished back door bans. As you liberals well know no one makes 7 round mags for these guns. You keep on saying that you will not ban or take our guns BUT YOU LIE THROUGH YOUR TEETH. So some of us that are informed gun owners know exactly what your fiendish plan is. With that how would this stop another school shooting. And by the way Ronald Newtown schools are one of the most safest and secure schools in the state. There security program is state of the art including dead bolt doors in every class room. But the substitute teacher did not have the KEY. Otherwise if she did she and all those kids need not have been killed. Also arming Teachers is a must. As throwing a Gun Free sign at an intruder from killing people and kids clearly did not work. Any other bright ideas Ronald!
RONALD M GOLDWYN February 16, 2013 at 03:45 PM
Cosmo P, My gun manufacturers and many after market manufacturers will make legal clips available. As for myself, I had the pleasure of riding a shift in a police patrol car last night. I was restricted to the car when they made an arrest for assault in a local motel and a domestic violence incident, but was present for a shoplifter caught at Sears. What surprised me was the amount of paperwork involved by the police which includes accounting for every minute of their time and the total miles driven during their shift. When a car was stopped for not having their headlights on (the driver could not find the switch on the car) another form was required to record the stop when no summons was issued.. All in all it was a great learning experience. Wednesday I'll prove my ability to shoot a police 9mm gun on their indoor range. Lastly, while no-one is pushing it, I want a law the holds a licensed gun-owner held criminally liable if his gun is stolen and used in a crime afterwards.This would make nice folks to spend some cash for a secure gun safe and trigger locks. As for gun sales, I would like to see sales at the store but pickup at the purchasers local Police HQ after which they become the responsible owner. Finally, Cosmo, you are going to love this. I plan to be a Republican candidate for my district on the Board of Aldermen, or would you prefer to see a Democrat? But, November is still a long way off.
Archie1954 February 16, 2013 at 08:44 PM
Alex not when their agenda is no more tragedies!
Archie1954 February 16, 2013 at 09:00 PM
Please try to live in the real world not some fantasy land where the population of the US is going to rise up against its oppressive government and overthrow it with firearms. Read my lips, it isn't going to happen! In a democracy you get the government you deserve. You change governments by the ballot box not by guns. If you can understand that through the morass of right wing, extremist ideology then you may save your nation. If not you will destroy it.
Archie1954 February 16, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Cosmo P, It wasn't a democrat that sat in the oval office on 9/11. It wasn't a democrat who fiddled while the twin towers burned. It wasn't a democrat who completely ignored the warnings from his own intelligence agencies about the coming terroist storm, it wasn't a democrat who after 9/11 decided to wreak vengeance on the Afghan people who had nothing to do with the attack, it wasn't a democrat who then lied about Iraq having WMD and attacked it, it wasn't a democrat who decided to use barbaric torture to seek answers to an unanswerable question, it wasn't a democrat who suddenly discovered that he didn't have enough money to prosecute the wars he had started without borrowing from, of all places, China, it wasn't a democrat who drove the country to its knees with a financial debacle greater than 1929, it wasn't a democrat who then delivered the coupe de grace to the American economy causing it to falter and shed jobs, it wasn't a democrat who dismissed climate change as a left wing plot letting the situation fester for eight very long years, it wasn't a democrat who when he finally and thankfully left the Whitehouse abandoned it leaving the new president with eight years of incompetent government management and an economy such as no other incoming president had ever been presented with before. Oh no your foolish revisionism isn't going to work. Go back to sleep Rip, you've obviously missed the whole terrible Republican destruction of the first decade of the new century.
Sandra February 17, 2013 at 02:57 AM
Archie- YOU want America to Fail http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/new-video-if-i-wanted-america-to-fail-exposes-democrat-plan-to-destroy-america/
COSMO P February 17, 2013 at 04:41 AM
Cosmo P, My gun manufacturers and many after market manufacturers will make legal clips available. They already have 7 round clips. But guns do not use them. They use MAGS. . Get training once again you are untrained and should not have access to guns. As a big liberal or should i say now a RINO i could care less what you run for. Make me a felon i do not give a flip. With that you are a very dangerous person because all you gun grabbers well know that it is going to take many years to replace MAGS with 7 round capacity. That is until you brain dead law makers decide 7 is to many. Once again you are not informed on the Newtown shooting. The 30 round mags had 20-22 rounds left in the spent mags, So even if the shooter had 7 rounds the outcome would have been the same. But you progressive Liberals or in your case a RINO does not give a dam.
Archie1954 February 17, 2013 at 06:23 AM
Ronald your ideas are well thought out and very impressive. You have obviously been thinking about the matter for a long time.
Archie1954 February 17, 2013 at 07:39 PM
Wow Sandra, I can't imagine how telling the truth about democracy is wanting it to fail. Those of you out there who don't inform yourselves, who don't participate in the political scene, who don't research the candidates before an election, who don't vote, who don't care what is going on in their own country or what their country is doing in the world. You are the ones that are actually making sure the nation will fail!
Sandra February 17, 2013 at 09:52 PM
Archie did you watch the video? You are telling your version of the Truth and you have that right. Clinton allowed Osama to escape a few times after bombings like U.S. Cole. Bush "fiddled" when towers burned? That statement reveals a lot about you. Afghans had nothing to do with 911? Obama said Afghanistan is the "right war". Borrowing from China will continue under Obama as a result of his "unprecedented"spending addiction. Bush "lied" about WMD. Congress voted to invade Iraq and other nations agreed unlike Obama going into Libya without consent. His Kill list? Allowing him to kill Americans without due process? This from a man who fought to give terrorists the rights to a trial in NY? The housing crisis originated from democrats policies according to this: policieshttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0 I think the country is failing because there are TOO many low information voters. If you do not know the issues and the candidates you should not be voting.
Archie1954 February 17, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Unfortunately Sandra you are just skimming the surface. For instance, Afghanistan was de facto controlled by the Taliban, an extremist Muslim religious sect that was not the legitimate government of the country nor were they in control of much of the country. Regional warlords controlled various areas with the Taliban holding tentative contol of the capital and some other regions. Al Queda was present in Afghanistan, yes but not in control of any part of it and was a very small gang of extremists who had no formal ties to the Taliban. Even if the Taliban had wanted to find bin Laden they would have had to deal with all the warlords who controlled the parts of the country where he was rumoured to be. In other words the Afgan people had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet they were attacked, invaded, occupied and murdered by Americans under Bush's regime. The same with Iraq. You act like Bush was right that there were WMDs in Iraq and that somehow Iraq was responsible for 9/11 when in fact it had absolutely nothing to do with it. One million people died because of America's thirst for blood. I know you think you are exceptional but even you have to agree that one million Iraqi deaths as revenge for 2900 Americans is a bit outrageous even if thy were responsible which they weren't.
COSMO P February 17, 2013 at 11:40 PM
I seriously dough that. What has he come up with that would have stopped this from happening in NEWTOWN. The Experts claim nothing would have stopped it. Reply please.
Archie Bunker February 18, 2013 at 12:00 AM
The Experts claim nothing would have stopped it I DOUBT that, DOUBT IT. Doubt it ! what's your source? THE Not Rational Association? NRA !
COSMO P February 18, 2013 at 05:20 AM
Boggs February 18, 2013 at 02:59 PM
FUNNY !!!!!!!!!! source is a professional Right Wing Blogger !!!!!!! LMFAO ! John Hawkins John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Right Wing News
Sandra February 18, 2013 at 05:33 PM
Archie-Do you condone the "kill list" drone program, invading Libya, Patriot Act, drones killing American citizens without due process. All this killing power in Obama's hands seems to be acceptable by the Left. Many are calling Obama a war criminal. Do you agree? Innocent children are killed by Obam's drones. Rescuers and mourners are targeted.Read this article and get educated. http://www.salon.com/2012/02/05/u_s_drones_targeting_rescuers_and_mourners/singleton/
Archie1954 February 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM
Sandr I most certainly do not condone such war crimes because that is what they are. It doesn't matter to me if it is an American citizen being obliterated by an American drone or an Afghani, they are both precious in God's sight and whoever is killing them will answer with their own souls.


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